Sabot accuracy

[bg.]

Hey guys

So I've shot 50 sabot slugs with my 870 while sighting it in and testing different ammo.

I was actually very disappointed by both the Winchester Partition Gold 3" and the Remington Core Lokt 2 3/4". I could only get consistent 3-4" groups at 50yards and as bad as 6" groups at 100yards. The best groups I got was with Remington Copper Solids, I pretty much did 2" at 50yards. I didn't have enough ammo to try the Copper Solids at 100. All this was with an MTM shoudler gard rest.

I'm just disappointed that the faster sabots didn't do better. I was really hoping to find something I could reliably use at more than 100 yards. I'll be using the Copper Solids and will just have to keep the distance to less than 100 yards.

Just wanted to share my experience, the shotgun season opens Nov 5

bg

[DEERSLAYER07]

Hey guys

So I've shot 50 sabot slugs with my 870 while sighting it in and testing different ammo.

I was actually very disappointed by both the Winchester Partition Gold 3" and the Remington Core Lokt 2 3/4". I could only get consistent 3-4" groups at 50yards and as bad as 6" groups at 100yards. The best groups I got was with Remington Copper Solids, I pretty much did 2" at 50yards. I didn't have enough ammo to try the Copper Solids at 100. All this was with an MTM shoudler gard rest.

I'm just disappointed that the faster sabots didn't do better. I was really hoping to find something I could reliably use at more than 100 yards. I'll be using the Copper Solids and will just have to keep the distance to less than 100 yards.

Just wanted to share my experience, the shotgun season opens Nov 5

bg

50 sabot slugs u do no that they cost between $8.99 and $16.99 per box of 5. The ones that shoot the best for me are of course the $16.99. So ur telling me u spent between $450.00 and $850.00 sighting in slugs?

[DEERSLAYER07]

Hey guys

So I've shot 50 sabot slugs with my 870 while sighting it in and testing different ammo.

I was actually very disappointed by both the Winchester Partition Gold 3" and the Remington Core Lokt 2 3/4". I could only get consistent 3-4" groups at 50yards and as bad as 6" groups at 100yards. The best groups I got was with Remington Copper Solids, I pretty much did 2" at 50yards. I didn't have enough ammo to try the Copper Solids at 100. All this was with an MTM shoudler gard rest.

I'm just disappointed that the faster sabots didn't do better. I was really hoping to find something I could reliably use at more than 100 yards. I'll be using the Copper Solids and will just have to keep the distance to less than 100 yards.

Just wanted to share my experience, the shotgun season opens Nov 5

bg

sorry i did my math wrong u still shot $90.00 to $170.00 just trying slugs

[bg.]

Hey guys

So I've shot 50 sabot slugs with my 870 while sighting it in and testing different ammo.

I was actually very disappointed by both the Winchester Partition Gold 3" and the Remington Core Lokt 2 3/4". I could only get consistent 3-4" groups at 50yards and as bad as 6" groups at 100yards. The best groups I got was with Remington Copper Solids, I pretty much did 2" at 50yards. I didn't have enough ammo to try the Copper Solids at 100. All this was with an MTM shoudler gard rest.

I'm just disappointed that the faster sabots didn't do better. I was really hoping to find something I could reliably use at more than 100 yards. I'll be using the Copper Solids and will just have to keep the distance to less than 100 yards.

Just wanted to share my experience, the shotgun season opens Nov 5

bg

sorry i did my math wrong u still shot $90.00 to $170.00 just trying slugs

Almost $200, yep.

I might have wasted a couple boxes cus at one point I over compensated with adjusting the scope by accident, but I did use a bore sighting laser to get on paper, so it evened out. I originally didn't want to shot more than 20, but I was having such bad luck with the Winchesters that I went and bought the Remingtons to try something different. It's an investment in confidence in my opinion. Plus, the "cheaper" ammo is the most accurate. $3 a shot rather than $4

[DEERSLAYER07]

i shoot the remington sabot slugs cooper $16.99 a box they shoot the best for me.

[bg.]

i shoot the remington sabot slugs cooper $16.99 a box they shoot the best for me.

That's what I'll be using, 'cept they cost me about $15.50.

Gotta love the Canadian dollar these days

[DocHolladay]

50 sabot slugs u do no that they cost between $8.99 and $16.99 per box of 5. The ones that shoot the best for me are of course the $16.99. So ur telling me u spent between $90.00 and $170.00 sighting in slugs?

Thats the price you pay to make sure that you get a quick, humane kill.

[My Dads son]

Has any one had any luck with the hornady sst . I would like to see a two to three inch group @ 100 yards is that possible? What would you say an acceptable group @ 100 yards?

[NYBuckhunter]

I had better luck with the Remington Copper Solids in my 20 guage. I can shoot @ a 4inch group at 100 yards. A 2 to 3 inch group would be possible with the right gun maybe.

[bg.]

I just got back from the gun shop. I bought some 3" Copper Solids. The only thing that worries me is that I did my sighting in with 2 3/4" Coppers. I got romanced by the slightly flatter trajectory. I hope they shot as well.

Anyone ever see much difference in accuracy when using 3" vs 2 3/4", everything else remaining equal?

[DocHolladay]

See if each box has the velocity on it. If the 3" shells have a faster velocity(FPS), then I would shoot a shell to see where it hits possibly adjusting the scope if needed. If there is only a few FPS difference, then I wouldnt worry about it.

[bg.]

See if each box has the velocity on it. If the 3" shells have a faster velocity(FPS), then I would shoot a shell to see where it hits possibly adjusting the scope if needed. If there is only a few FPS difference, then I wouldnt worry about it.

There's 100fps difference. Anymore and I don't think I would have bought 'em.

I'll have to do a couple shots just to make sure I guess.

[My Dads son]

I had better luck with the Remington Copper Solids in my 20 guage. I can shoot @ a 4inch group at 100 yards. A 2 to 3 inch group would be possible with the right gun maybe.

Thanks

[cbriarrabbit]

I noticed here that none have tried Brenneke shells. I have used these since 1961 in smoothbores and now in rifeled guns. The new Super sabbot is the only slug I have ever shot that does not tumble. I believe that any shell that tumbles, especially in rainey or windy conditions can't be all that accurate. At 100 yards the impact looks like you cut the hole with a very sharp razor knife. I realize that all guns are different and shoot different with various slugs. I don't think speed of a slug has any effect on your kill.



Smile---your'e above ground .

[NYBuckhunter]

I tried the Brenekes when I sighted in my gun when I replaced the barrel, didnt have much luck with it though as the Remingtons were more accurate. BTW, my holes in the target with the Rems are just like you described, very clean edges and a perfect circle everytime.

[deerhunter4life]

The only slug I have seen tumble so far was remington copper solids, fired out of a remington 870 smooth bore with rifled choke. My 11-87 makes perfectly round circles with everything I have fed it. It shoots winchester super X 2 3/4 1 oz sabots the best, 3-4" at 100 yards all touching at 50.

[doug9000]

Had the same trouble with my H&R 20 ga. had great accuracy with the lightfield slugs.....tried the faster hornadays and lost all the accuracy.....

[GMFWoodchuck]

I get 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups with my Mossberg 500 (and scope) at 100yards with the winchester BRIs. It took me awhile to find ammo that would do under 6 inch groups. When I did I bought half of a truckload. This was after I fell in love with the original Remington Copper Solids (the ones that had the hollowpoint drilled and cut. They shot very well but only sold for one year. The newer ones don't shoot worth a poop.) I wasn't ever going to not have sub 2 inch ammo again. I can't imagine a 6 inch group. It's my first and only slug gun so maybe I really lucked out a with a good one.

[NYBuckhunter]

The Remington Copper Solids I bought this year are exactly the same as the ones I have used for the last 4 or 5 years in my gun. They have 2 other types that are a bit different now, the core-lokt and the managed recoil, but the original Copper Solids are still available.

[GMFWoodchuck]

The Remington Copper Solids I bought this year are exactly the same as the ones I have used for the last 4 or 5 years in my gun. They have 2 other types that are a bit different now, the core-lokt and the managed recoil, but the original Copper Solids are still available.

They are? I never saw them again after that first year around me in any of the stores. (I've never shopped online for them.) Even Gander Mountain and ----'s doesn't have them. Oh well. I'll have to look online now......

[GMFWoodchuck]

The Remington Copper Solids I bought this year are exactly the same as the ones I have used for the last 4 or 5 years in my gun. They have 2 other types that are a bit different now, the core-lokt and the managed recoil, but the original Copper Solids are still available.

I looked at the Remington site. They don't advertise the original coppersolids anymore. They were first introduced in 1993. Way more than 4 years ago.

I will find one of mine. It will take a few days because I keep them at my parents house (that's where I do most of my hunting and shooting and I live in a city with no need of a slug gun here.) and take a picture of the slug itself and post it. They are made totally differently now. I'm sure that the originals were alot more expensive and labor intensive to make which is why they are not produced anymore.

[NYBuckhunter]

Here are the ones that I shoot, a hollow point with cuts, like you describe.

[HuntingGearGuy]

I haven't found a sabot that out shoots the federal barns expander 2-3/4 in my H & R (New England) ultra slugger single shot. I can shoot a 3 inch group at 100 yards every time and shoot the empty shot shell casing at 50 yards. Of coarse this is using a gun bench rest.

[GMFWoodchuck]

Here are the ones that I shoot, a hollow point with cuts, like you describe.

No, that's the new style. Here are the old ones. I used my cell phone so the pics aren't that great, but you should be able to see the difference. The pictures, obviously, are of just the slug itself.

[NYBuckhunter]

Yep, I see. I wonder why they changed them.

[GMFWoodchuck]

Yep, I see. I wonder why they changed them.

My guess is that they cost more. Who knows.

[nhhc]

I shoot a NEF ultra slug hunter with iron sights, I have tried a dozen different sabots in it,, so far I find that Brenekke 2 3/4 sabots and the Hornady SST sabots are by far the best, both holding less than 2 inch groups at 50 yards.

[nighthawk]

For the last few years I 've been shooting a 870 super mag. Tried several different brand sabots not getting into the 15 dollar a box range. Well if I got in a 6 inch group at 100 yards I felt good. Tyhere are some shells that just wont get a pattern out of my 870 and Remington is one. 2 years ago I couldnt get anything to shoot come to find out that Imy barrell nut was just not tight enough. I couldnt tioghten by hand so I put a pliers with a rag and got about 7 clicks more and guess what the gun got me in the 6 inch I felt good at.

So this year I broke down anc bought a new 11-87 with the thumb hole with a 250 dollar Nikon scope. the one with the different distance mark in the veiwing. So I bought 2 boxes of horady SST's . Without shoting the gone prior to this . My first shot our of a gun which only had the dealer put aboresight on I was 4 inches high and 2 inches to the left. Hell any other time I would have left it. Moved it over to the right 10 clicks and down 6. The second shot was one inch high straight over top dead center.
The 3rd shot hit the second shots hole. Good enough

Well moved over to 100 yards and according to the Nikon scope directions you use the first circle under the cross hairs for 100 yards. Fired 4th shot and no where on the paper. Figuring I was shooting high I went back to center cross hair. and bang 1 inch high dead center of bull. Fired a 6th shot which was 1 inch high and about 1 inch to the right dead center.

Better yet took it to a friends and fired at 150 yards and I was 1 inch low dead center. So from 1 inch high at 50 and 100 yards to 1 inch low at 150 yards I am in heaven. Never have I fired anything so good is it the gun or the scope or the shells. I am not going to mess with it.

Now bad news my friend has a old 1100 with rigfled barrell and he was all over the place with the SST's the shells whare no better then cheal Remington sabors he bought at Wally world. No luck in his gun..

[jkapl001]

I would be alot more worried about your shoulder than you wallet after shooting an 870 slug gun 50 times, what color was your shoulder the next day?

[HuntingGearGuy]

All I can say is you gotta see it to hit it. the 3/4 oz. federal barns expander is only dropping 6 inches at 200 yards in my new england ultra slugger. The sst sabot is doing just as well. Like I said though you have to see it to hit it and I have a nice scope on my slug gun.

[OldPhart]

I've owned several slug guns over the course of my life and most of them would shoot almost any slug pretty accurately at 50 yds or less. It is when you begin reaching out to 100 or 150 yds that the accuracy deteriorates. Four seasons ago I invested in a new 12 Ga. H&R UltraSlug gun. I topped it with a 3x9 Nikon SlugHunter scope with the BDC reticule and added a Limbsaver recoil pad. After burning through about $100.00 worth of different sabot slugs I was able to determine that my UltraSlug preferred the non-tipped 3" Federal Barnes Expander sabot slug. I can shoot a single jagged hole from a sandbagged benchrest at 50 yds pretty consistently and cloverleafs at 100 yds all day long. The 3 shot group grows to about 3 inches at 150 yds and 4.25 inches at 200 yds. The good thing about the non-tipped 3" Federal Barnes expander slug is that they seem to work extremely well with the 100, 150, and 200 yd aim-points in my Nikon SlugHunter scope.

One more thing I invested in was a Nikon RifleHunter 550 Rangefinder and was that ever an awakening. I had no idea how far off my range estimating abilities were until I started using the rangefinder. The very first deer I used it on came out into the field I have my treestand at the edge of. I guessed his range to be between 190 and 200 yds. When I ranged that deer with my rangefinder it was 145 yds away. I used the 150 yd aimpoint in my scope and the deer dropped where it stood. 20 mins into the season and I filled my tag. If I had adjusted my point of aim to be for 200 yds, I would probably either have missed or worse yet, crippled that deer.

[jones]

Maybe I missed it, but did the original poster say if the barrel was rifled or not?

Sabot slugs through a smooth bore are nearly ineffective past 50 yards.